SA media
Graag klop ek hiermee die media en spesifiek die ST op die skouer vir die wyse waarin hulle bewys het hulle het geen objektiwiteit nie. Dis ‘n koerant so na aan Afrika se hart. Mnr. Bullard word die pad gewys oor hy een sogenaamde rassistiese artikel geskryf het terwyl skrywers soos Mnr. Quelane voort stoom met openlikke blatante rasse haat. Mooi gedaan. Dit ’smack’ van Zimbabwe-isme.
Kry dit in julle koppe. Geen kritiek teenoor die swart man is toegelaat nie. Julle is wel welkom om die wit man op ‘n daaglikse basis sleg te sê.
Ek het ‘n spesmaas dat Bullard gesê het wat meeste gatvol-sleggesêde-nie-gewaardeerde-en-ook-deel-van-hierdie-land-se-suksesse-wit-mense lankal wou sê. Nou gaan ek ook soos Quelane sê dat dit NIE rassisme is nie (Bullard se artikel). Dis slegs regverdige kritiek. Wat geld vir die een, moet mos geld vir die ander!
Bullard se artikel: “Die rubriek, Uncolonised Africa wouldn’t know what it was missing, beskryf hoe Suid-Afrika sou gelyk het indien die “wrede wit man” nié “gekom het en die rustige idille van die vroeë swart setlaars versteur” het nie. “Daar is geen paaie nie, want geen paaie is nodig nie, want daar is geen motors nie. Dis 2008 en niemand het ’n sweempie van belang in Suid-Afrika nie, buiten ’n handjie vol plant- en dierkundiges wat die land se fauna en flora wil ondersoek,” skryf hy. Bullard beskryf onder meer hoe die bevolking nooit aan die “sondige weë van die Weste” sou blootgestel wees nie en hoe hulle elke aand stories rondom ’n vuur sou vertel. “Hulle bly in enkelverdiepinghutte só gerangskik dat dit die meeste son kan vang. Hul diere wei daar naby. Daar is geen aaklige winkelsentrums wat duur goedere gemaak deur Asiatiese slawe verkoop nie. Die plaaslike gemeenskap stook ’n bier gemaak van groente en drink dit uit vlak houtbakke.” In die laaste paragraaf skryf hy hoe mense van “ ’n plek genaamd China” eendag die land besoek op soek na “kool, metaal, olie, platinum, weiland, vars water en ’n hele lot goedkoop arbeid”. “Skielik besef die inheemse bevolking wat hulle nog altyd gemis het: iemand om te blameer. Uiteindelik is hul gebede beantwoord,” sluit hy af.
Van Quelane se artikels: “…The “baas” and “miesies” mentality still holds sway among a greater part of the white section of this country’s population: they want to claim for themselves the sole copyright of the ability to think but, having all their miserable lives never been confronted with blacks who can think for themselves and can brush off the lies, stand their ground and refuse to be cowed. When they are, Baas and Miesies resort to what they know best - bullying, threats and lying… I still maintain, as I told the meeting, that there continue to be numerous pressures on us as a people that require us - the black people - to address fully. Most of those pressures are peculiar to the black community, and as such it would require black people with their first-hand knowledge and understanding of the situation, to formulate responses accordingly. The majority of black people live in squatter camps; those are our uncles and aunts, cousins, brothers and sisters. We do not speak with an “ag-shame” attitude when we talk about the “squatters” and their depressed and depressing living conditions; we talk from bitter experience, not the intellectual theorising of some white people and their coconut friends. We are the only section of the population whose children and youth are afflicted by the scourge of teenage pregnancies, wayward alcoholism and drug dependency. Again we do not intellectualise about these horrifying conditions. We live them on a daily basis. Neither will denying that the HIV/Aids epidemic affects, in the main, the black population nor will trying to deny the fact that the majority of criminals and lawbreakers in South Africa are black, solve anything. As blacks, I doubt it very much if we would be as keen as whites and their coconuts to scream for the return of the death penalty, because we are keenly aware that the death penalty was always meant mainly for black people; I think we would be more inclined to seek honest solutions which would include the causes underlying the rising crime spiral. So by supporting our decision to have blacks-only imbizos where we delve deep into these matters, one is not being racist: we are pro-black, but not necessarily anti-white. Think very carefully about that last sentence. Or, as I will not be surprised by the reaction, go on convincing yourself uselessly that all this “confirms” that I am a racist!”
Gaan lees gerus al sy artikels. Hulle is min of meer op dieselfde trant.
Een ding moet ek sê van hierdie man JQ. Hy kyk na SY mense, terwyl die wit mense maar net aan hou, terwyl hulle links en regs sleg gesê word en op hulle gevoel gespeel word, nie genoeg hulp aan ander volke kan gee nie en dit terwyl wit kinders ook honger in die strate van o.a. Pretoria bedel. Kinders! Wat het hulle met apartheid te doen gehad? Wie gaan na JOU mense kyk wit man? Ek gee nie meer ‘n duit om of enige iemand dink ek sê MOENIE die groter meerderheid swart armes help nie, want ek help. Ten spyte van mense soos JQ. Wat ek sê is MY prioriteit EN JOUNE lê nou by my en jou mense en dis wie ek eerste gaan help.
April 11, 2008 at 8:44 am
Roer dit is ‘n artikel so na my hart vanoggend. Vanoggend voel ek een van daai vulkane hier in my binneste roer. Dis tjol om te dink ons witmense help net onsself. Na wie toe hardloop hulle noudat dit moeilik gaan? Vanoggend kom my een werker by my en sê ek moet nou asb help om die taxi geld te betaal, dit het te duur geword vir haar. Sy kry ‘n dêm goeie salaris (sorry dat ek dit nou moet sê),
maar sy werk al lank vir my, en ek is lief vir haar (haar geldjies gaan in te veel wyn drink sessies in :D). Maar ek kry ook swaar, almal kry swaar, wie gaan my duurder brandstof en elektrisiteit betaal. Die ander ” tuisteskepper” slaap in, haar vriendin bly in ‘n plekkie sonder water en elektrisiteit, die vriendin kom bad nou elke aand, in my mevrou se badkamer. Sy kan nie in koue water bad nie???? Wie betaal vir die elektrisiteit en seep en borrels in die water. Onder ons eie nasie gaan dit net so swaar, mens sien dit elke dag as jy deur Centurion en Pretoria se strate ry! My broer bly in Akasia, daar het ek al, te veel mense gesien wat regtig swaarkry, maar hulle is trotse mense, hulle beur nogsteeds voort. Dit is net tyd dat ek regtig my eie mense moet begin bystaan, hulle moet eerste prioriteit kry! Ons oë moet oopgaan daar is witmense wat nie werk het nie of afbetaal word. Hierdie mense se kinders lei honger. Daar is oumense wat met karige pensioene in ‘n kamertjie bly en doodgaan van die honger. Die huidige ekonomiese toestand gaan dit onuithoudbaar vir die mense maak. Hoe gaan hulle oorleef? Natuurlik sal ek nou maar die ekstra taxi geld betaal anders word ek uitgeskel as ‘n rassis en nee, dit is ek nie! My een Indiese vriendin voel presies net soos ek…dus waar laat dit ons.
April 11, 2008 at 9:29 am
Weet jy wat, Roer, ons moet al hierdie gedagtes in Engels begin blog ook. Radikale stap, dalk, maar dit help nie ons het al hierdie gedagtes en die mense wat dit moet lees, kan nie ‘n woord verstaan nie.
Of Xhosa. Maybe moet ons tog daai Xhosa-alliansie stig…
April 11, 2008 at 9:30 am
(Cool post, terloops)
April 11, 2008 at 10:05 am
Roer ek weet nie of jy al getag is nie maar dan doen ek dit dan sommer nou. Net so klein werkie vir ‘n rustige Vrydag…
http://tekkies.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/tagged-by-wipneus/
April 11, 2008 at 10:06 am
Roer, hierdie een het ek vir Mynick gewys, dis so reg in sy kraal! Hy sê ek moet hom bietjie ‘n blogbeurt gee want hy wil net bietjie vir die joernaliste vertel wat rerig aangaan daar waar die tekkie die teer tref….
April 11, 2008 at 10:23 am
Hi Roer… dit is dinge soos hierdie wat my dwars in die krop steek en daarom blog ek in Engels…as jy my laaste paar “politieke” posts gelees het… en ek is ook op Britblog geregistreer sodat hierdie Engelse se oe bietjie kan oopgaan en weet wat regtig aangaan in ons land..al lees dalk nie almal alles in detail nie, is daar tog mense wat lees en hopenlik meer ingelig is. Ek dink jy sal ook met hierdie Mugabe-ding-Mbeki-stilbly meer op my blog begin sien… alhoewel ek verkies om nie politiek te blog nie, wil ek graag he dat die mense die feite moet kry, veral oor sekere dinge…goeie inskrywing van jou. Ek voel heel eerste om jou eie mense te help, maar mens kan ook nie NEE se vir die mense wat vir jou werk en vir wie jy lief is nie. Ek het dit ook self ondervind in SA.
April 11, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Roer - dankie vir hierdie inskrywing! Just up my alley! Ek hoef nie noodwendig met Bullard se artikel saam te stem om te se dat dubbele standaarde al hoe meer sigbaar raak in SA nie. Dis net so jammer ons kan nie van hierdie rasse-herries af aanbeweeg na ‘n nuwe toekoms nie….
April 11, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Ek is al so siek vir kleur dat ek kan skree daarvan. Regtig. Hierdie jaar het rassisme weer erg opgevlam. Want elke wit mens wat ‘n swarte iets aandoen is mos ‘n rassis. Dit maak my siek.
Self doen ek moeite om wit organisasies te ondersteun, dit is moeilik vir hulle om staatstoelae te kry.
April 11, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Hy se hier net swart mense word geraak deur tienerswangerskappe, MIV/vigs en dwelms. Watse bull!
April 11, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Hoe is jou Ingels? Goeie post, weereens, Roertjie.
April 11, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Verskoon my nou, maar eintlik moet ons Verwoerd uit sy graf uit gaan opgrawe en hom dik bliksem. As hy nie donnerse woord apartheid op ons wetboeke gesit het nie, dan het baie dinge dalk vandag baie anders gelyk.
Glo my, in ALLE lande is daar rassisme, dis net in Suid-Afrika waar dit so aan die groot klok gehang is omdat die wit minderheid die swart meerderheid onderdruk het. En nee, ek stem nie daarme saam nie, het nog nooit en sal ook nooit, maar ek is gatvol dat SA die wêreld se muishond is. En ja, ek gee lankal my geld en my hulp meerendeels vir my eie mense, veral as ek sien daar is regtig nood, want daar is vandag wit mense wat geraak is deur regstellende aksie, wat in hul lewe nog nie een enkel dag rassisties was nie en wat ook geen aandeel aan apartheid gehad het nie.
Skies vir die lang stoom afblaas, Roer!
April 12, 2008 at 5:54 am
Boendoe - I are tweetalig.
April 12, 2008 at 9:46 am
Roer, jy skryf so asof daar een anti-wit agenda is wat konsekwent gevoer word. Dit is hoegenaamd nie die geval nie. As jy Mondli Makhanya gereeld lees, sal jy weet dat hy geen anti-wit agenda het nie. Week na week skryf hy verstandige, gematigde goed waarmee enige redelike mens mee sou kon saamstem.
‘n Koerantredakteur kan opinieskrywers kies wat inpas by sy koerant se waardes of die sirkulasiesyfers.
Mondli het ook geen beheer oor wat Quelane (wat vir Nasionale Pers werk, en wie se base wit is) skryf nie.
Ek glo dat daar anti-wit rassisme in SA is, maar die ST en wat met Bullard gebeur het is beslis nie ‘n voorbeeld daarvan nie.
April 12, 2008 at 11:45 am
Roer.. jou Engels is goed genoeg vir blogging…doet so voort!
myne is power… maar die mens daar “buite” verstaan ten minste! LOL!
April 12, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Johan/Nikita, vertaler widget vir WordPress gekry. Enige iemand anders wat solank wil probeer, die link is http://trevorcreech.com/blog/2007/02/17/translate-widget-20/
Sal volgende week kyk wat ek kan doen DV. Weet nie of dit regtig nodig is vir my blog nie, maar ouens soos Boer, Bongi, Alleman en Johan, ens mag dit dalk handig vind. As iemand ‘n beter widget kan voorstel, gaan voort. Ta
April 13, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Dankie vir hierdie skakel!
April 14, 2008 at 7:48 am
Jon Qwelane se nuutste column. (Ek kan nie raai of hy ernstig is nie.):
Poor Mugabe is now the villain
14/04/2008 08:44 - (SA)
Jon Qwelane
Poor President Robert Mugabe, he’s having a very rough time at the hands of western and South African racists, who are being aided and abetted by their loyal puppy, Morgan Tsvangirai.
(I can now hear the unmistakable grumbles and groans of the racists: “My magtig! Why is News24 still allowing this black racist column space? Oh my sour dugs, he sounds like a record stuck in the bush! Let us boycott him!”)
As I say, Mugabe is having a terrible time with the rejoicing racists and their loyal lackey.
I will be the first to concede that things have not been right in Zimbabwe since 2002, when Mugabe first decided to call Britain’s bluff and took back from the “colonialists and settlers” the land and gave it back to black people.
What actually happened was that Mugabe, being the true revolutionary that he is, decided to follow the actual spirit of the liberation struggle to the letter by repossessing every inch of Zimbabwean soil from the marauding invaders and, in most cases, refused to pay them for the land because, quite logically, “the white people did not pay a cent for the land which they now claim is theirs in a country which they do not recognise, and to which many refuse to owe loyalty”.
And because Mugabe’s nationalist spirit could not be cowed, the western countries decided to teach the uppity native boy a lesson: because he had had the temerity to take land from the master race and had refused to pay for it, they would hit him with sanctions.
It was an undisguised warning to the ANC and black South Africans not to try something similar, and the Mbeki government, obviously intent on pleasing the west and their local white surrogates in South Africa, made all kinds of meaningless assurances that “such a thing would not happen here”.
There is an article which former Zambian president Kenneth Kaunda wrote in the New African magazine a couple of years ago, stating that he was invited as an interested party and member of the frontline states to the Lancaster House talks in London by British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.
Thatcher’s assurances
Dr Kaunda notes that he and other observers at the meeting were very surprised by the ease with which Mugabe and his liberation colleague, Joshua Nkomo, readily accepted Thatcher’s assurances and terms not to do anything about taking back the land, because Britain would see to that sort of settlement in a matter of years.
But Thatcher was kicked out, and John Major succeeded her, and seemed willing to honour the Lancaster House agreement.
Matters came to a sorry pass when Tony Blair took over, reneging as he did on everything. That is why I am sorry for Mugabe, because it is now played as though he is the villain of the entire piece.
I am loath to think of the status quo ante which will come to pass in the scary event that Tsvangirai comes to State House as president: Zimbabwe will be recolonised all over again, and Tsvangirai will be a latter-day Abel Muzorewa - a bantustan puppet “leader”, with the real puppet masters in Britain and South Africa (read DA, chiefly).
But it will also happen here in South Africa, there can be no doubt about it. The only question left to ask is how, not if, it will happen.
Now the racists are at this stage mumbling: “News24, fire this black racist bugger! He is threatening to take our land! That is hate speech! Ban him” and nywereh nywereh, etc.
April 14, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Bliksimse JQ! Dis `n kompliment; die res kan ek nie skryf nie!
So by the way, weet iemand vir wie skryf Bullard nou?
April 14, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Matzi, lyk my hy’s nou ‘into’ karre. http://www.cartorque.co.za/david.htm
April 15, 2008 at 7:03 am
LETTER
Jon’s column ‘in bad taste’
15/04/2008 08:38 - (SA)
Poor Mugabe is now the villain
Dear Editor,
It was actually with a sense of dread and growing alarm that I read Jon Qwelane’s latest literary offering, entitled Poor Mugabe is now the villain.
One can’t help but compare it to the piece Bullard was fired for, and definitely find Jon Qwelane’s “piece” the heavyweight as far as not being in line with reconciliation and the spirit of our constitution.
Granted, Mr Qwelane is entitled to his own opinion, but should it have been published when it is so blatantly against everything we are trying to do in this country?
One cannot help but wonder if more people feel like Mr Qwelane - and this is where my aforementioned dread came in - because if there are, there is very little hope left for this country.
Or was Mr Qwelane’s “piece” allowed, simply to incite a reaction? If so, I believe it to be in very bad taste. Please do not allow Mr Qwelane to insult democracy, our constitution and our intelligence any further.
I actually turned cold when I realised how many impressionable children might have read Mr Qwelane’s column.
Dion Oosthuizen,
East London
April 20, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Roer,
Jy tender mos nou om voorblad nuus te word
Ek hou daarvan
April 21, 2008 at 9:20 am
Yet again Mr. Righteous is allowed to dish out this racist vomit to the world.
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Some things never change
21/04/2008 09:12 - (SA)
Jon Qwelane
As columnists, we are supposed to encourage people to obey the laws of the country, encourage tolerance, samewerking, peace and all that. But we are also human and, speaking for myself, I have known racial abuse and violence all my life; so it is only natural that I will at times take delight in situations where the boot is on the victim’s foot.
Years ago when I was growing up in Mafikeng, it was the favourite pastime of low-class Boers living in the compound of the railways’ workers to descend on us young Africans to beat the hell out of us for no reason other than that we were not their colour.
Their violence usually took a turn for the nasty on what was then-called Dingaan’s Day (December 16) and Kruger Day (October 10), when the bully Boers would assault and taunt us: “Kaffir, roep jou broer Dingaan. Waar’s Dingaan nou, jong?”
I had the horribly infuriating indignity, as a 10-year-old nogal, of seeing a hatefully racist Boer thug dressed in police uniform, kicking my mother in the abdomen during the forced removal of my extended family from our ancestral home, in order to give our land to other Boers.
The thug would never have done that to a white woman, but then again they would never have dared remove whites by force from any piece of land.
You will, as predictable as always, take irrationally unwarranted offence to these childhood reminiscences, and shriek: “There goes this racist once more! Sunday Sun and News24 must do a Bullard on him and give his column the bullet. I won’t read him ever again!”
But we are all products of our environment; our insights, perceptions and character have been shaped by our experiences. I am no exception.
Those who keep yelling “forgive and forget” do not know what they are talking about; they have no idea how traumatic all those experiences were. They were permanently life-scarring, and have been forever seared on my memory: they cannot be easily forgiven, much less forgotten, as if they were the taxi one missed catching only five minutes ago.
I well remember a Saturday morning in downtown Mafikeng when my friend, Sidney “Zee” Kwazi, then 20 years old as I, was set upon by a wiry Boer wanting to please his girlfriend, who appeared to dominate him. She wore platform wedges, a green pleated terylene skirt and cheap sweater outlining her mammaries. She was egging him on: “Moer ‘n kaffir vir my, Dannie! Slaan die kaffir.”
The eye swelled immediately
Dannie obliged by pulling Zee roughly by the arm. My startled friend turned around to receive a punch which rocked, but did not floor him. In a moment, Zee recovered and hit the racist on the left eye with a beautifully-timed piledriver. The eye swelled immediately and turned into many rainbow colours before settling on an ugly bluish hue; Dannie was down and screaming, as was Ms Platform Shoes, whose goading had started it. Zee was so angry he kicked the racist’s ribs very hard and kicked his mouth until it bled.
All the while Africans, usual victims of such unprovoked abuse, witnessed the impromptu title fight with glee and shouted encouragement to Zee; I was waiting to see if he would be attacked by sympathetic racists - of whom there were a number - in which case I would join the fight.
This week Siphokazi Sowazi was set upon for no credible or sensible reason, by a drunken racist woman and her two sons who called Sowazi a “fucking kaffir” and a “crazy bitch”, after deliberately damaging Sowazi’s expensive 4×4-vehicle by ramming their dingy, shabby little red car into it.
Racism and drunken jealousy seem to have been the motives, and the racist coward and her offshoots drove away when Sowazi screamed for help. Pity I was not there, because I would have loved to bliksem the racists for her!
On Sunday I heard the rather gratifying story of an African man who had been savagely insulted - yet again without any provocation - by a racist cyclist and his wife. They called him a “fokken kaffir; kan jy nie fokken kyk nie waar jy fokken ry, jong”?
At the provocatively demeaning insults, the man got out of his car and started to beat the living daylights out of the racist. Two passing white motorcyclists rushed to assist the racist but, opposite the boxing ring, a group of taxi drivers who had witnessed the start of the fight rushed in to help the African in case the motorcyclists started something untoward…That’s life, then and now, in South Africa where the more things change, the more they remain decidedly the same.
April 24, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Lighten up
16/04/2008 11:11 - (SA)
Chris Roper
Man oh man, I love being a South African. We’re so funny!
Consider this: we applaud Susan Shabangu for telling our cops to pee on the constitution and go out and kill people, and at the same time we indignantly and shrilly assert that firing David Bullard for writing racist drivel is unconstitutional.
Does nobody see how contradictory this is? Granted, both Suzy “Wham” Shabangu and David Lardbull appear to believe in shoot first, and don’t bother asking questions later. But still, it’s kind of paradoxical to ignore the constitution in support of one, but to evoke it to defend the other.
And we’re happy to have organisations like the BJ Forum that are only for black members, but we scream blue murder if someone suggests that sports teams should be chosen on merit. Such absurd inconsistencies are what make a country great, and by great I mean amusing. And by amusing I mean tolerable.
It’s also instructive to see how often we cry racism. Many of our readers have called for the head of Jon Qwelane because he’s a Mugabe supporter. That’s racist, they cry. Now while I might agree with you that it’s stupid to be racist, it’s not racist to be stupid. And we need the likes of Jon Qwelane, the Paris Hilton of columnists. His bald pronouncements on Mugabe, Zuma and white bastards, are the equivalent of photos of Paris’ crotch as she gets out of a car. You might think it’s bad journalism, but you love looking anyway.
Herding cattle
Mind you, not many of us would agree on what the word “racist” means. One columnist wrote of the Bullard in a china shop incident that “I think labeling the man a racist for saying that the inhabitants of the continent would still be herding cattle had the past never happened is a bit extreme.”
Now this is a little disingenuous. I can’t imagine the Sunday Times editor saying “this bit about how when African children die, their mothers just have more children, is alright, very funny, but this bit about how we herd cattle is incredibly racist.”
But assuming that this was in fact the case, others might argue the point that saying that all Africans - all of them - would be too stupid to make any progress if the white man hadn’t come to Africa and saved them is racism in its absolutely purest form. It’s a belief so sweepingly racist, it almost becomes a religion, in which case it’s protected by the constitution.
Did I mention how much I love being a South African? We’re so funny! If an alien doing interplanetary research into racism landed here, I can imagine the report he’d file. “Reading the pages of the national newspapers, it is evident that racism is a terrible problem in this country.
White people appear to have been prejudiced against since time immemorial, although inexplicably, except for about six black men in shiny suits, they appear to own most of the country’s businesses. I recommend we invade at once and destroy the evil black oppressors.”
Yep, it’s our sense of humour that’ll save us in the long run. You have to see the lighter side. Darker side. Whatever.
April 24, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Van die kommentaar op Jon Q se kots van 21 April:
Getting Bored
21/04/2008 09:24
Im getting tired of this crying and would like to get on with our lives. - vxv
how old are you?
21/04/2008 09:25
I agree with you John, you have to feed the hate. Stoke it’s fires make sure you never forgive and forget. Promote racism and class/colour distinction based on your past. After all life is not about moving forwards, it’s about remembering what happened in the past. Embracing the past. That way when your kids are the age you are not they too can blame your past for their failings. - gyrofx
Justification?
21/04/2008 09:25
Is this some sort of justification for being a racist? So because all these things happened to you, it allows you and gives you the scope to say what you like, insight even more racism and turn away from reconciliation and forgiveness? I wonder what Nelson Mandela would think of your attitude? - JK
forgive and forget
21/04/2008 09:29
‘Those who keep yelling “forgive and forget” do not know what they are talking about; they have no idea how traumatic all those experiences were. They were permanently life-scarring, and have been forever seared on my memory: they cannot be easily forgiven, much less forgotten, as if they were the taxi one missed catching only five minutes ago.’ now thats the sentiment to build our country on. mandela must be proud… - hilton smith
Not all are rasist
21/04/2008 09:31
Jon not all are racist. I to shout and carry on if someone almost causes an accident, but one thing I can say I have never used the word Kaf%&^r or Hotn!#@t in my life to insult someone. Yes I would call the a doos or dick no matter if they are White, Black or Coloured. These racist boere must move on, so too the racist africans and coloureds. I myself am getting tired of been called witgat or whitey. - Andrew
Think Past Yourself
21/04/2008 09:33
Perhaps isntead of being “products” we should swing it around and stop playing the victim and take charge of our destinies - MP3
You would have loved to Bliksem
21/04/2008 09:33
the racist for her. There you go again Jon with your egotistical rhetoric. Two wrongs do not make a right !!. Legal avenues exist to address these racist issues. The problem is we dont have a proper decent policing mechanism to address these criminal activities. Because that is what it really is!! - Denzil
racist boers
21/04/2008 09:34
Jon, I came to this country from Rhodesia in 1975. Being fiesty I got into a few scrapes with white Afrikaaners I saw abusing black people. Even stopping my car and jumping out and shouting and performing at them. Most English speaking whites were also afraid of them, and who remembers the dreaded raids at night to check our servants quarters? But those times are past, and black racist criminals and people like you are making up for lost time anyway. Destabalise and reap a shit life. Get over it. - Eden
lol
21/04/2008 09:34
reminds me of my day back in schweizer-reneke some 20 odd years ago.my sister had been arrested at a shebeen and i had gone to court to pay her R30 fine.unaware of court protocol i saunted in and sat on the front bench - reserved for the bad ones - before proceedings got underway.the prosecutor turned around to find me petched on the bench and he let go on me “uit MY fokon hof uit voordat ek jou doodskop”.some things can never be fogotten! - veebot
Always one side
21/04/2008 09:34
I do agree that there are still racists around, but just remember their is as much black racists as white, so to just go on about the one side and making as if the other does not exist is inciting hatred and not reconcsiliation and of very bad taste for a reporter. And remember the whites suffered under english rule as well before Apartheid started, where do you think the old day hatred of the english come from? But they did get over it.. and I hope black and white will too… - oneside
You need help.
21/04/2008 09:36
Sorry for the bad experiences you’ve had in your life, but what you are doing is not helping yourself or anybody else. The true test of character is not to let you’re past shape you but to rise above it and be a better person than your enemies. You fall short of earning my respect, I am dissapointed as I’m sure most people will be. Something needs to be done about you. - ICV
Qwelane - at it again
21/04/2008 09:38
We should all love Monday mornings, sitting patiently, waiting for Jon’s column to be published. At last the chip on his shoulder has come to light. Jon, you are a racist, no matter what you say, whether a sympathetic SA on something to do about nothing on a monday morning or political views on whatever. I do however enjoy some of your ramblings. Makes for some good reading. - Andrew
Shame
21/04/2008 09:38
A wise old trout never rises to poorly tied flies! You are a the saddest individual i have had the pleasure never to meet John. Your attempt at constructing a creative post was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together some childhood memories among a load of babbling was hardly effective and only goes to prove that you are defficient in what lends a person character. - Gavin Uren
Jon…
21/04/2008 09:39
I am not a racist, have never been,but seriously, if you behave according to a particular mindset (NOT based on colour), then the shoe fits. Get on with your life brother, you’re becoming an embittered, sad and not to mention pathetic individual. No intelligent person today is saying that what happened in the past was right, nobody is saying shrug it off like it wasn’t a big deal. It was. WAS. Past tense. Why don’t you get a hobby? I think you need one. - Cat
o.O
21/04/2008 09:41
I went to shrink and she told me that the best way to deal with pent up anger is to vent it. Having read John’s columns, I think I want my money back. - biobot
John Q
Later - The Dude
21/04/2008 09:41
As a white 20-something dude I can understand you’re ager better now. Good article John…and I know violence isn’t always the answer, but in the cases you menioned above - those racist bastards deserved it!!
You need to be an agent of change
21/04/2008 09:41
Jon, I disagree entirely with your sentiments expressed here, which seem to positively encourage an embedded and permanent state of racial hatred. There IS something viscerally satisfying about the underdog overcoming the disgusting oppressor. Whilst we ARE shaped by our experiences, we need to rise above and overcome them if we are to have any hope of transforming our nation sustainably. - Little Al
See, now…
21/04/2008 09:41
… I don’t see a bout of fisticuffs, as a result of a slur, as racist. You choon me, I belt you, vice versa, it’s got nought to do with race, and everything to do with the defence of honour. Good luck to the participating pugilists. The difference between such anecdotes, and last week’s JQ vitriole, is vast. - SkerP
Rascist
21/04/2008 09:43
Yes Jon - anything to justify YOU being a rascist……..does this make it right?? Agreed what happened in the past is/was definitely not right…………..so you use this as an excuse for you being the same??!!…..as justification for all your rantings??!! No hope for you………. - True Blue SA
I agree with Gyrofx.
21/04/2008 09:43
Except I hope you dont have children…I think you set a very bad example as a father. - Mike
Mr Qwelane calling the kettle black?
21/04/2008 09:43
I thought that you had stooped so low, that even you could go no further - then you outdid yourself. It is an undisputed fact that there are white racists out there, UR an extreme example of a black person who hates (ALL) whites with a passion. I pity you JQ, because (in your recent mood) no matter one might say, you will listen to no reason. Is it perhaps because you are having a relapse? Irrespective of the reason, I will pray that you might gain some compassion. - yt1021
Please explain
21/04/2008 09:43
Can someone please explain to me when black people will stop blaming all whites for there problems?It seems that the more the whites try and work with black people the more it gets throwen in our faces by idiots like JQ.And please explain to me why I cant call a black guy a K…er,but he can call me a boer and my mother and female friends white bitches?I am not a boer,I am a white african,and damn proud to be one. - proud white african
aah the good old days
21/04/2008 09:43
when I used to be chased and beaten on my head for being a young black in a white neighbourhood. Interestingly I would be there every month end to fetch mail that carried money for my famil’s livelihood from my dear hard working mother. But I have forgiven and would rather call the police than assist in harming a fellow South African. - Jairz
Hardships
21/04/2008 09:44
Yeah, life is tough. Not cool calling someone the k-word, but, also not calling someone coconut. Reminds me of the boer concentration camps on St. Helena. But John, seems you are promoting an issue Mandela had a strong stance against: “The oppressed becoming the oppressors”. - Sinudeity
Jon,
21/04/2008 09:44
your my man!!!! Hate the “Boere”. For ever and ever! I love you. You are the black Terreblanche! Keep up the good work. Lovies. From a “Boer”. Ps. Why do you use a racist term like “Boer”? From your mouth it is the same as the dreaded “K”-word. - hjs
Further and further back to the past
21/04/2008 09:44
Jon, why would you feel like stirring so much hatred again on a Monday morning. There are so many more important issues. My past is 61 years long. I never got to know half of my uncles….they all died in the 2nd WW.Father suffered and still is. My grandfather and his mother were interned at Koffiefontein in Boer War. Both sisters died, he died very young.. TB. Get on with your future, the past is dead. I have gone to bed hungry many nites. Put it to rest. We all ache. - Alicia
News24 encourages freedom of speech and the expression of diverse views
21/04/2008 09:46
Your articles are always so one sided and biased; you choose to ignore most things when you write your articles. So what you are saying here is that white people, being raped, murdered, and burgled and the enduring of discrimination is right because it is just correcting the past? Do you think that people are jealous of quotas or BEE candidates that are only filling positions because they are previously disadvantaged? Don?t you think people just see the same unfairness that you witnessed back the days of apartheid? So things did change, everything is just reversed now. In 20 years from now, many white people will have similar stories to the one that you just wrote, cause the same thing is happening to white people now, but you are obviously encouraging it. Don?t know what you are trying to achieve here?. - Johny
WTF
21/04/2008 09:46
With all due respect, if you keep dwelling in the past the past will never leave you. I don?t read news24.com that often, but whenever I do there is some article written by you and it?s always about racism and events pre-1994. If the entire world acted in the same way you do we would never have evolved further then the dinosaurs? Get over yourself, get some friends and get a life. I remember being robbed by a black person, perhaps I should stereotype that onto all blacks that I see today. And maybe I should go out now and assault the first black person I see??..? Come to think of it I?ve been wronged by whites and almost all other ethnic groups, perhaps I should go killing spree and blame it all on ?past events? and make the rest of humanity suffer for 1 persons wrong doing? - John
You’re getting worse John
21/04/2008 09:47
I too lived in mafikeng as a child John, but instead of torrid tales, I had many black and coloured friends that provided me with years of fun and companionship. Psst John…a little secret you might like to be in the know on: NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACISTS ! My “white” family were staunch anti-apartheid activists, choosing to live in the Transkei and Bophuthatswana instead of South africa until 1994. And all that to come back to you telling us we’re racists, shame on you John. - KA
good one
21/04/2008 09:49
bliksem the racists for her! well said my brother just luv your articles u always speak your mind up and dont let these people intimidate you keep up the good work the minority are reading even though are replys dont get published as you know they first read them and if they are not white apilin anyway thanks my brother for these insightful articles may god bless yu, i wish most racists wont respond to your article todays PEACE.. - goodie
You may get what you wish for 2
21/04/2008 09:50
So after some time everybody was blood thirsty and wanted a revenge, soon enough they got their time. But as my old friend said mothers do not cry on one side they cry on both. So after few years of senseless killing, mutual destruction and when finally fields were filled with graves small little people realized that they were taken for a ride, there are far more common things between us than differences. Well then it was to late, economy was destroyed, smart and educated from both sides left for greener pastures and all what was left were small percentage of super rich war profiteers and large percentage of poor living from the handouts. So piece of advice from someone who got old and wise very quickly, you might get what you wish for but only price of it will be to high, so ask your self is it worth it. Problems will be always there, idiots too but be positive and help to seek common ground not differences. And do not forget, mothers cry on both sides. - Alex
Speak-out
21/04/2008 09:50
Good article Sir John. It`s amazing that certain sections of our society are the first to scream loudly about crime,affirmative and BEE when it suites them and yet want “us” to forgive and forget about racism.The Jews also remind the world about the holocost so that people should not repeat this cruel acts.Why can`t we remind people about racism as well? - Stanley
I agree 100%
21/04/2008 09:51
I agree with you Jon. I have been experienced this first hand in a bar in so called upper class white areas simply because of the colour of my skin. When I was at this bar I waited my turn for service and when I reached the front, the waiter wanted to serve people behind me who were white. When I confronted them on the issue, I was told that I am lucky they are prepared to serve me and if I open my mouth some more, the bouncers will sort me out nicely. Needless to say, I left that place. - Darknite
Some things never change
21/04/2008 09:51
Maybe you should go for therapy then. These whites you are referring to, are not the majority of this country. We all know it was wrong. We have admitted it. What more do you want us to do? Let Mr Mandela be an example for you. What a great man. SN - Sonja
South African racists
21/04/2008 09:55
And suddenly those stories should not be spoken about even though they are still going on. Suddenly now we are told that we must build on Mandela’s legacy, but what’s funny is that white people dont tell that to their kids, they are busy teaching them the opposite. The Skielik boy is 18, and the UFS students are around 22, all of them grew in democracy, so where did they learn their blatant racism? Obviously, in their parents’ homes. But we are told we should reconcile, Ha! - Sello
Change
21/04/2008 09:57
This article was clearly written by a very bitter person.John Qwelane wiil never be able to forget his past and therefore the readers will have to put up with these kind of articles every week. Why does John not write articles about current issues such as the crumbling infrastucture in SA, the high crime rate, the high corruption rate and other more important social shortcomings in our society? I suggest it is because the racist boers are not in control of these matters any longer. Wake up JQ. - S
Hate is a weak emotion
21/04/2008 09:58
Jon, you are right about one thing: forgiveness is not an emotion for the weak but hate most certainly is. You claim that “we are all products of our environment” but the truth is that our actions and behaviour are simply products of our own opinions and choices, for which we must each take full responsiblity. Being human means that we have one thing in common: free will. How we choose to exercise that power is up to each individual person, Jon, so don’t paint all humans with the same brush. - Phuleez
hatred?
21/04/2008 09:58
Jon. I am truly sorry for what you and your loved ones endured. My wife and I have been attacked by armed criminals, held hostage and pitol whipped. Does the fact that they were black mean I can also bear hatred against a nation? There are evil people within all groups. - Lloyd Macklin
Racists
21/04/2008 09:59
Jon what you say is so true.Since when is Nelson Mandela a saint of some whites? why was he arrested? Is he no longer a terrorist? The reason they “like” mandela is because he intervened and talked about reconciliation.We meet racists everyday but what i normaly say is we need to pray for them, maybe they will change. And please tell them that there is no more going back, if they cannot leave with Africans let them leave as their brothers have left and are enjoying Ausi - Mots
DO NOT FORGIVE AND FORGET
21/04/2008 10:01
I experience racist attacks and insults very often and it needs to be told and stop hiding it because many whites want to go on as if its all ok though when they get back to thier clans, hatred to the African starts. Sometime ago an employer sent an sms wrongly to his employee calling he the K word + bitch. When she’s at work and around its ok but when she turns around the norm begins. Our mothers have raised these racists but they make them eat piss, drag us on bakkies, shot us at random, so on - THB
Is it fear or stupidity?
21/04/2008 10:04
It reminds me of what the black American actor who was knowm as Mr-T once said during apartheid,he said he cannot understand how 40million blacks can be oppressed by 3million whites.Even today you still find blacks who are still afraid of whites.why they should fear another human being,i don’t know. - Godfrey
Revenge
21/04/2008 10:05
Similar thing in my youth, but I choose not to seek revenge. I choose to try be the better person, maybe you could learn from this Jon? It’s people with the wrong attitude that fires this hatred when we need to stop it so it does not continue again in your childrens childrens era. You also probably agree with the killing of children and adults for cellphones as this appears to be your mentality. Grow up. - Sipho
I am Sorry Jon
21/04/2008 10:06
as a white man Jon, i am sorry for everything you and every other black african had to and still have to endure. There is no excuse for it. It is disgusting. The only thing i will say, is for your own good, find a way to free yourself of the have. It does you no good. I also want to remind you that there are many many good white people. - david
Ashamed
21/04/2008 10:06
Reading this makes me ashamed to be a white person. I have heard many such stories and it upsets me that the white trash of our society is giving all white people a bad name. I call on all South Africans to rally and defend victims of racism when you come across it. If you just ignore it then you are just as bad as the perpetrator. Jon, I wish that there was something that I could do to remove the scars left on your soul by those rubbish people. - Johan
I am sorry
21/04/2008 10:07
John I am ashamed at my fellow whites. I am so sorry for what was done to you. - Michelle
What happened the threats of BOYCOT
21/04/2008 10:07
It appears the more JQ fire up honest and racial opions the more there are threats of news24 boycott.What whats even more amazing is the increase in the number of responces to JQ.You have really struck a raw nerve Jon!!! - Mjavas
Jon
21/04/2008 10:12
There’s nothing but the TRUTH in your article, racism in South Africa is a reality and it was only lying dormant like a volcano waiting to erupt, at the moment lets forget about the rainbow nation “this is a fallacy”, lets deal with this demon called racism head-on, God forbid, if I encounter racism either at work or at the streets I’ll moer the bastard stiff, if things go really bad I can always run for my gun. - Luzuko
Two way.
21/04/2008 10:12
Change is a two way street. Don’t forgive and forget, just try to move on, you are as wrong as Terreblanche. You are one and the same. You are also stuffing up your kids and friends future by refusing to move on. Just like white parents that still promote racial hatred messes up their kids future. It is in your hands to break the evil chain. - Whitie
We should try and defeat the past.
21/04/2008 10:12
I remember being beaten-up for just saying I will marry a white woman. I was 11 and joking, hence i grew-up hating whites. My life changed when I started working. I worked with Afrikaaners who were kind and human, since then I never generalised and deal with each person individually. Today, I’m highly respected by whites who get the same respect from me. Not all of them are the same, just like my black brothers. - Libembe
leave madiba out of this
21/04/2008 10:13
Leave madiba out of this white folk. JQ has every right to express what happened to him in the past. I doubt JQ would be telling us about what happened to him as a young man, if racism no longer existed in this country. White racists who if i may add, need to be purged or “ethnically cleansed” if you may, keep on rearing their ugly heads day in day out. So how can you expect us forgiving Africans to move on? - Bra Darkie
the decision JQ…
21/04/2008 10:14
…lies within ourselves, reading through this I felt pain for what humans do to each other. I felt pain for what u experienced a a child, but the hate you treasure is your decision and will hamper you forever….Your call… - Charmaine
Inconsistant readers
21/04/2008 10:14
When JQ used to write comments blasting the ANC, he got so much tremendous support from these readers. THen when he writes articles exposing racism for what it really is coz its still very much alive, he gets hackled to death. For those bringing out the Mandela card, please we all not the same. - Ojayy
The tables are turned
21/04/2008 10:14
Dear Jon. In the 24 years I have been alive, I have once or twice witnessed the unprovoked hatred you describe, and it always irked me that whites could be so mean. But most of us are NOT like that. If you want to hate whites because some of them abused you, can I hate blacks because black people raped and killed somebody I know, or because violent crime in this country is 99% contributed by blacks? Stop being such a hypocrit. - Wernardt Toerien
Expose’
21/04/2008 10:16
Well done for once again exposing the hypocrisy in the responses of the regular commentators. It’s one thing to advocate the forgive and forget philosophy, but completely another to acknowledge the atrocities committed in the apartheid era, and the fact that you, my palefaced countrymen, are also products of the era in which you were raised and contain an element of your parents beliefs whether you like it or not. Acknowledge it and deal with it! - BRS
Running out of topics?
21/04/2008 10:17
NEWS24 are scraping the barrel by publishing this garbage. There’s dozens on this forum that can do better than this. - John Camp
Is that all you can write about Jon?
21/04/2008 10:18
I can understand(sort of)where you’re comming from Jon as what happened IN THE PAST was attrocious. What I cannnot for the life of me comprehend is why you keep dweling on the past? Do you really think that by re-hashing your hatred for the white population you’re making the country any better? How about looking FORWARDS to the FUTURE and writing something CONSTRUCTIVE and HELPFUL for a change? - Currently Disadvantaged
Same old same old
21/04/2008 10:19
Once again you are causing division between black and white. Is that what you want? I agree that it must be hard for you to forget but why on earth would you try to make everybody around you as racist as you? I have never met Afrikaans people that talk they way you describe to black people, and I am as Afrikaans as they come. I want unity between black and white. - Hennie
Dear Jon
21/04/2008 10:19
Can you please just move on. Your columns have gone from ridicules to just plan pathetic. You have a wonderful array of one topic. - Kobus
Great article
21/04/2008 10:20
Thank you bra Jon for a great article. At the age of eight I was also a victim of the white thugs for just attending a movie. I don’t hate whites but I stopped loving them. - Calvin Mkhize
Lay it thick, bra Jon!
21/04/2008 10:21
Bravo Jon! Why do I get the impression that what these Qwelane-bashers actually resent is his incredible ability to articulate his views in ‘their’ language? Reminds me of the white missionary. Asked why he patronised blacks, yet the Bible says we’re all brothers? His reply: ‘Indeed, the black man is my brother, but my junior brother’. The moral? Most whites resent well-informed, articulate blacks like Jon. Let people hooha but that’s racism. Jon, give it to them, brother! Your column is cool. - Paul
forgive and forget
21/04/2008 10:21
John. I’m am very sorry and appalled by that what has happened to you. Perhaps you can not forgive and forget, but then at least try not to further fuel the fire of hatred that caused the injustice committed to yourself and others. To truly forgive is the only way that our scars can be healed. I hope for that grace in your life. - Leon
So the way forward is…?
21/04/2008 10:21
Most intellegent people agree what happened in the past was very wrong. It is also worth mentioning that it was not a one sided story, with only black victims. This sotry continues to this day. But John my question to you is how do we move forward if we keep looking back, or are you not interested in going forward? - Thow
Justification
21/04/2008 10:26
I guess then based on the murder of Piet Retief and his companions by Dingaan, apartheid was justified and the Afrikaners should never have forgotten nor forgiven ? - Sick-of-it
You have bigger issues Jon
21/04/2008 10:31
When I was growing up as an english speaking white youngster, I often had the same run ins with Afrikaans youngsters. There was always a strong rivalry between the Afrikaans & English speaking kids. We called each other names such as “Soutie”, “Dutchman” etc. I don’t begrudge any Afrikaans person for my youthful experiences & work with & have Afrikaans friends. Jon, you are angry with yourself. You hate being black. Try & get to grips with yourself instead of hating your own black skin. - Malcolm X
John
21/04/2008 10:32
John you sound so angry, so full of hatred. My only worry is that one day your emotions will lead to some sort of violent outburst and someones personal injury. Be it public or not, I just hope that the work of people like Mr Mandela, the Dalai Lama, The Pope, Mother Teresa, Ghandi etc fall on open ears, as yours oviously arent. A word of advice, go to church, you somehow need to gain foresight into how your pent up anger is going to hurt someone one day. - MSF
nice one
21/04/2008 10:32
once again, a brilliant piece of writing..keep them coming and ignore the other racists who comment - zee
provocative
21/04/2008 10:33
So, how is the abuse perpetrated against you & your family any worse that what is beng vested upon the people of Zimbabwe by your hero, Mad-Bob Mugabe? Go to hell, Jon! You are the worst kind of South African: a wolf in sheep’s clothing. You are one of those that insist you are not & cannot be a blatant racist because you’re black. There will be much more unity without the likes of you provoking & playing on our differences. - Jannie Jammergat
Shame…
21/04/2008 10:33
Hehehe, it is quite funny how you use this article as justification for the fact that you are exactly like those thugs who assaulted you, you friends and your family. Interesting to think how you can be so righteous about your obvious double standards and how fiercely you insist upon playing the victim. Just a shame newspapers give you a box to stand on and pollute the masses with your hatred and bitterness. - Ilana
Today’s removals
21/04/2008 10:36
Talking about forced removals, it was interesting watching Carte Blanche story last night about mining/govt removing people in Wild Coast to mine for Titanium. - AJ
Denialism
21/04/2008 10:37
All who cry blue murder on this article must be either not born in SA, racists themselves or not have been born when these atrocities where visited upon Blacks. To deny that this happened(and is actually STILL happening in farms and other places)is like saying” the sun rises from the West and set in the East,North or South”.I wish Blacks can visit to these people a fraction of what whites did and some still do, to poor black people for them to start appreciating this reality. - Sepitle
i agree with you jon
21/04/2008 10:37
i agree with you jon white people just don’t get it they opressed us for decades treated us like dogs in our own land and expect us to just let it go,ok so we do forgive but we will not forget because if we do we may fall into the same trap of slavery again.I support Robert Mugabe and i thank him for championing real black empowerment,zim economy is in shambles because of sabotage inflicted by racists.until white people have been beaten,kicked,spat at,insulted they must not preach about forgivens - nj
oh geezzzzz
21/04/2008 10:40
What in this article is remotely working towards an united SA???? NOTHING….. Can we not move on towards a better future for all South Africans?? What do you actually WANT from white South Africans Jon?? Please tell us and we will try our bestest to oblige…. - Anel
Context
21/04/2008 10:40
Last week when reading your column I found it lacking in any form of justification and incitful and was shaken to my core reading it. I thought that this type of writing can only lead to worse things in our lives. However, reading your coloumn today I understand and appreciate your feelings. I have never suffered such shameful abuse. I have been hijacked at gun point but this does not compare at all. I am sorry for what was done to you and your people. Shame on us! - SP
What’s good for the goose…
21/04/2008 10:42
You say we are all products of our environment so that should be an excuse for your racial slurrs, then you should excuse those racist afrikaaners as that is the way they were brought up? I’m not excusing them, I’m showing the flaw in your logic. We are not animals, we have reason and know right from wrong, what those racists did to you was wrong, but you should know not all whites are like that and make it an excuse to post racists comments. - Melrsa
Need to stand our ground.
21/04/2008 10:43
The racists have victimised us(Africans)in many ways than one for the past innumerable decades.This madness should be brought to an end as a matter of extreme urgency and it is up to us as Africans to do so whatever it takes Bra JQ. - Marabe Mphaga
Context Continued
21/04/2008 10:47
Jon, I am truly hurt by hearing your experiences in your youth! It is shameful and disgusting and it brought tears to my eyes. How would I have reacted if that happened to my mother? I am sorry from the depth of my heart for what those pigs did and the countless other stories. Words cannot express how little the average white man understands what actually happened. I think if we did we would show it! Please hear my apology as a white man although I don’t know if I could forgive, I am ashamed! - SP
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